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| If I was a Saints fan I'd be hoping Eamon would be on the phone to Holbrook and Woolf asking about up and coming halfbacks/fullbacks who need game time, we know more than anyone that gems like Field who would struggle to break first team over there can rip it up over here
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Quote: Zig "I am not sure that he is mobile enough or that his size will be a major asset when playing first team. He reminds me of Samy Kibula. Obviously, the lad may prove me wrong. Good luck to him.'"
That’s interesting about his mobility because in this article Derek Traynor, who knows him better than anyone, talks about this speed being a strength of his. Admittedly I’ve only seen him at Castleford the other week but he certainly looked like he could move a bit for a big lad too.
https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ne ... -st-helens
Now you’ve probably seen much more of him than I have but he doesn’t sound like there’s any concerns internally about his mobility.
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Quote: Zig "I am not sure that he is mobile enough or that his size will be a major asset when playing first team. He reminds me of Samy Kibula. Obviously, the lad may prove me wrong. Good luck to him.'"
That’s interesting about his mobility because in this article Derek Traynor, who knows him better than anyone, talks about this speed being a strength of his. Admittedly I’ve only seen him at Castleford the other week but he certainly looked like he could move a bit for a big lad too.
https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ne ... -st-helens
Now you’ve probably seen much more of him than I have but he doesn’t sound like there’s any concerns internally about his mobility.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "That’s interesting about his mobility because in this article Derek Traynor, who knows him better than anyone, talks about this speed being a strength of his. Admittedly I’ve only seen him at Castleford the other week but he certainly looked like he could move a bit for a big lad too.
Mobility and speed are two different things in my book. But hey I am happy to be proved wrong, time will tell. However, I think it is always dangerous to big young lads up, the expectation can become overwhelming.
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| I’ve seen Stephen’s once against Wigans academy and we couldn’t deal with him tbh. Will that translate to the first team? Who knows but it’s not going to give him any less of a chance having that sort of physical presence.
What I will say though is that big lads have dominated at academy level before and not been able to translate it to first team rugby. The most devastating academy performances I can recall were from Ryan Bailey at Leeds and he never managed it. I’m not saying he had a bad career, far from it but he was killing teams at that level, going over, through or round players for fun but in the first team he ended up making a career more as a grafter and wind up merchant.
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| I found this interesting from the Academy coach in relation to what we've been discussing.
“Whether they all go on and reach that potential remains to be seen, But I believe this current crop of young players is as good as we’ve ever had.”
That seems a lot more nuanced and balanced than what Rush has said or what some fans seem to think is an almost foregone conclusion that they will come through and succeed at this level.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "I found this interesting from the Academy coach in relation to what we've been discussing.
“Whether they all go on and reach that potential remains to be seen, But I believe this current crop of young players is as good as we’ve ever had.”
That seems a lot more nuanced and balanced than what Rush has said or what some fans seem to think is an almost foregone conclusion that they will come through and succeed at this level.'"
I think there's been a lot of outside noise about this crop of players (Stu has named them all) that won't be beneficial to them. The club have previous in getting these transitions right though, and you can see already the likes of Stephens and Vaughan (the two most physically ready) in and around first team environments. Saints have some work to do to successfully integrate them all and the hype around them won't help but it will be an interesting couple of years seeing them all come through and hopefully replace the older guard.
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