What exactly is “something in the playoffs”? A victory and then getting knocked out? A battling defeat to Huddersfield? It’s so vague and far-reaching. Leeds should be aiming to win the grand final, every season. Is that realistic? Not in reality, but that should be the aspiration.

So nowhere this season and then top 4 next season, that’s your aim? That would mean it had taken Smith 3 full seasons to simply get us in the top 4. That’s absurd. Again, people are obsessed with this long, drawn out arduous transition period.

Wigan have a model of bringing through their own coaches. Saints have always been able to find the best from overseas willing to join SL. Smith is neither, he’s meh, nothingness.

As you say how long does he need before we get structure which is probably the most important factor.
Look at Willie Peters who has been for a shorter time at Hull KR and what he has done for them.
Anybody who has watched Frawley at the Giants or the NRL knows he was never the answer.
MOM looked decent in the NRL but has been average so far and needs alot of improvement.

even average players are OK with good structure and good coaching. all clubs have average players.

Agree that a good or coach will get the best out of average players. Look at Wayne Bennett at the Dolphins a team made up of largely cast offs from the NRL.
Regarding Frawley and MOM to a lesser extent I was trying to say his choice of recruitment has not been brilliant either.
Before anybody says it, yes we signed Croft and Akers but anybody who watches rugby would know they would be a vast improvement on existing players.

That's fair enough, but let's include McDonnell who's been good on the whole, and even Ruan, Roberts and Hudson are reasonable project signings (for what they are).

Mom is a good player, I think we'll see better from him later this year and he's very good for the winger outside him. He's disappointed me so far but you can see a player in there somewhere.

Frawley - I can see what they were thinking with him, but it's not working out so far. Sure he'll play other games this year but.. he was always a stop-gap until the youth came through I guess.

Olpherts was a signing made on stats not quality, and I think we've retained a couple of players we probably shouldn't too. We'll see.

The Momster will come good. It was a shame Lumb got injured so soon as it seemed they had the makings of a decent combination. I like Roberts but he doesn't seem to be a natural winger.