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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "The thing is with that style we've seen from Saints over the years is that it needs to be done with a certain aggression and intensity. I can just about stomach the repetitive "arm-wrestle" style when it's done at it's best because we absolutely suffocate teams and it's fairly ruthless. However what we saw against Huddersfield was that very one-dimensional style but done at snails pace, which suddenly makes it absolutely awful to watch and not very effective either.
Personally I would always taking winning (when it matters) over a swashbuckling, entertaining style of rugby. However, the minute that our boring style stops leading to us winning the big games, it becomes unforgivable in the eyes of fans.
As entitled as this may sound, as a fan of a club like Saints I expect to either be reaching and more often than not winning the big matches, or I want to go out in a blaze of glory with the team giving us a run for our money and some fantastic rugby to watch. To that end, if Wellens doesn't win the GF this year and he doesn't change our style, he should be looking for a new job by Christmas because he'll have delivered neither of the above for 2 years.'"
In summary Saints play like a Shaun Wane team from 2014 to 2018. You play “tough” and are very hard to beat.
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| Quote: Zig "I am not sure that he is mobile enough or that his size will be a major asset when playing first team. He reminds me of Samy Kibula. Obviously, the lad may prove me wrong. Good luck to him.'"
That's often the problem when a player is stepping up from a level where they have obvious physical advantages. I suppose it depends to a large degree on attitude. I think Junior is showing that at the moment. I haven't seen Stephens play so can't comment on him individually but I think that goes for most young players regardless of size. Attitude is everything.
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Quote: Zig "I am not sure that he is mobile enough or that his size will be a major asset when playing first team. He reminds me of Samy Kibula. Obviously, the lad may prove me wrong. Good luck to him.'"
That’s interesting about his mobility because in this article Derek Traynor, who knows him better than anyone, talks about this speed being a strength of his. Admittedly I’ve only seen him at Castleford the other week but he certainly looked like he could move a bit for a big lad too.
https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ne ... -st-helens
Now you’ve probably seen much more of him than I have but he doesn’t sound like there’s any concerns internally about his mobility.
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Quote: Zig "I am not sure that he is mobile enough or that his size will be a major asset when playing first team. He reminds me of Samy Kibula. Obviously, the lad may prove me wrong. Good luck to him.'"
That’s interesting about his mobility because in this article Derek Traynor, who knows him better than anyone, talks about this speed being a strength of his. Admittedly I’ve only seen him at Castleford the other week but he certainly looked like he could move a bit for a big lad too.
https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ne ... -st-helens
Now you’ve probably seen much more of him than I have but he doesn’t sound like there’s any concerns internally about his mobility.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "That’s interesting about his mobility because in this article Derek Traynor, who knows him better than anyone, talks about this speed being a strength of his. Admittedly I’ve only seen him at Castleford the other week but he certainly looked like he could move a bit for a big lad too.
Mobility and speed are two different things in my book. But hey I am happy to be proved wrong, time will tell. However, I think it is always dangerous to big young lads up, the expectation can become overwhelming.
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| I’ve seen Stephen’s once against Wigans academy and we couldn’t deal with him tbh. Will that translate to the first team? Who knows but it’s not going to give him any less of a chance having that sort of physical presence.
What I will say though is that big lads have dominated at academy level before and not been able to translate it to first team rugby. The most devastating academy performances I can recall were from Ryan Bailey at Leeds and he never managed it. I’m not saying he had a bad career, far from it but he was killing teams at that level, going over, through or round players for fun but in the first team he ended up making a career more as a grafter and wind up merchant.
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| I found this interesting from the Academy coach in relation to what we've been discussing.
“Whether they all go on and reach that potential remains to be seen, But I believe this current crop of young players is as good as we’ve ever had.”
That seems a lot more nuanced and balanced than what Rush has said or what some fans seem to think is an almost foregone conclusion that they will come through and succeed at this level.
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