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Quote: gutterfax "1. Empty seats can be viewed in any stadium we play in.....to suggest the stadium itself is to blame is narrow minded.
2. Quins RU "vexed us about" only after we announced to anyone listening we wanted out and then had to backtrack and take an extra year at short notice. I believe there was one hastily arranged "double header" prior to this season, otherwise we were treated just fine.
3. If I were Quins RU and I knew that the tenants were offski at the end of the year and happy to blame anyone and everyone including them for the demise of the club, I would have done exactly the same regarding the "waterlogged pitch

Correct on all points.

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No one's blaming the stadium or QuinsRU for our failures and I reckon we all agree that LB is a shoddily run club which is where virtually all the problems lie. That said, and even with an uncertain future at the moment, I'm looking forward to leaving Twickenham for good. In the meantime... c'mon Lahndahn and smash the Bulls on Sunday and prove to the few hardcore fans left that we aren't a zombie club.

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1 & 2 no idea, hoping for a yes but not if the outcome is the same recycled dross that we have had for the past few years.

3 Hive all the way. The Stoop is a great stadium but 20% full soulless, access issues, huge costs plus the continual pandering to the might landlord its a non starter. Lets get somewhere where we are 1) wanted 2) not dwarfed by the landlord 3) has a suitable capacity for our CURRENT needs 4) accessible. The idea that moving away from SW London will in some way hinder development suggests that no development goes on anywhere else across the metropolis. Young players travel from all over to be part of the Broncos junior programme so nothing changes and to add to that, if a club cant stand on its feet without Broncos input, they aren't really a club.

5 the Broncos interface with the junior game is very poor.

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1) On a scale of 1 to 10 (1 not at all / 10 very) how confident are you that the team will be in Super League in 2014?

1) 5. We are the last non 'heartlands' top level British club in the competition. The RFL has stood idly by whilst the rest fail. These include Crusaders, Gateshead and Sheffield in the Super League era alone. They will not want another failure and I believe will agree to nearly anything to prop us up for one more year, after which they would expect us to drop down out of public view. But I'm not sure the club is up for that arrangement and the RFL will need to sweeten the deal by again treating us as non-heartlands club in the quotas and agreeing not to bar us from SL on the basis of any Stadium we move to. The silence is ominous from the club.

2) On a scale of 1 to 10 (1 not at all / 10 very) how confident are you that the team will be in Super League (top division) in 2015?

2) 1 We have been in the bottom three every year since 2007 so would have at least a 2 in 3 probability of being relegated in a normal season, however the other direct relegation rivals of Salford and Castleford have attempted to strengthen and are probably closer to Bradford and Wakefield than us in quality. I'm expecting London and Widnes to fall through the trap door at the end of the 2014 season. Our only hope is reinstatement of a quota ruling akin to that held by Crusaders to build a squad that is more than just whipping boys.

3) Where do you want the team to be playing next season and beyond (area/stadium)?

The only Rugby Union fans who have any interest in Rugby League are those who genuinely like Rugby, especially running Rugby. This is not the case for the 'Chattering Classes'. In general those based around the National Rugby Union Stadium are there for social occasions and networking opportunities that Rugby Union presents and because the sport appeals to their heritage and background. They will not attend something that is about a code of Rugby associated with the Northern working class and seen as a traditional rival to their sport. So there is no point in being based around one of these areas, even if the Stadium is a pleasant one, and in general those who are 'for' staying at the Stoop find it convenient to get there versus the alternatives.

I would take the club out to a working class area, where people do not have a pre-existing affinity to Rugby Union, almost certainly a football area. I'd prefer us to share with a club with a decent level of support.

Fulham would be perfect and I wouldn't mind any Championship ground, less keen on Barnet/Leyton Orient but grateful for anywhere if truth be told.

4) Do you think its more damaging that home grown players are looking to move on or that its becoming hard to attract top players from outside?

I couldn't blame anyone looking to move on with the man mismanagement of Gus Mackay. However the best home grown players are McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Clubb and Dixon and two out of three are still here. A second list have dashed for cash such as Worrincy, Sharp, Caro and now Sarginson but they are now playing in the lower tiers, whilst a large number of other juniors have gone to Skolars. We don't have many assets to strip. What is more important is that we cannot sign top Northern based players. You will sometimes get the commentators from the North who talk about London such as Peacock and Tomkins but they would not entertain moving here. Our only real market is Australia and in identifying talent that the NRL has overlooked, perhaps players on one of the Pacific Islands or a guy who is about 21 but is still second tier, he could radically improve us, but might need some polish.

5) Do you play/coach/support any of the junior or amateur teams and do you think there is a sufficient link up between the SL club and the amateur/junior scene?

I have no involvement with the amateur/junior scene and the sole reason is that I try to go to every Broncos game (this season have done every game except Catalans away) and Skolars home games. The games are on different days and have an overnight stay. I'd be up for helping on a Monday to Thursday basis but that wouldn't be enough I'd guess. The pride of the southern development is Medway Dragons. Dragons? This could be a Broncos flagship!

6) What do you think is the biggest obstacle facing the Broncos? (i.e. location, financial support, isolation from heartlands, crowds)

The club is in a vicious circle whereby a single benefactor without a long term vision puts in just enough investment to bring in a 'last pick' squad, but he does not properly fund off the field, so we have a very poor infrastructure around areas such as support coaches, training facilities and conditioning and the weakest commercial/marketing operation in professional sport. As other clubs have advanced we have stayed the same or weakened, especially with the unfair interpretation that we are no longer a 'non heartlands' club. We now win 1-3 home games a season and many visitors to the Stoop do not see support as a 'whole of life' thing, more so an opportunity to hammer the club on social media without being there, or showing a complete apathy. To change this cycle of decline the club needs to find a new home and one where we can win 5-6 games at home per year else put off the fickle. But it won't be easy.

7) Would you still support the team if they dropped out of the top division and do you think a step down would help or harm the long term prospects of the club?

Yes. The long term prospects of the sport will be harmed if there is no club in the South of England playing in the top level. The club will lose players to Rugby Union and top flight clubs. But a string of wins and a winning culture could revitalize the team in the short term. However, I think Tony Rea will turn things round with a fair chance and without Gus crippling the club we'd do much better.

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Quote: markrammond "

I would take the club out to a working class area....Fulham would be perfect'"


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This 'working class' argument is horrible. There aren't any working class areas in London. Plus those that attend events at Twickers come from all over the South, even the country, not TW1.

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Football and Rugby League are traditionally working men's sports and working class sports.

The Football League began in the Midlands and North of England with Accrington, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers, Burnley, Derby County, Everton, Notts County, Preston North End, Stoke, West Bromwich Albion and Wolverhampton Wanderers.

The Rugby League began with the original clubs of Batley, Bradford, Brighouse, Broughton, Halifax, Huddersfield, Hull, Hunslet, Leeds, Leigh, Liversedge, Manningham, Oldham, Rochdale, Runcorn, Stockport, St Helens, Tyledesley, Wakefield, Warrington, Widnes and Wigan.

If you were to overlay the origins of both sports you'll find a tremendous alignment in geography between the areas and a very strong correlation in proximity between football and Rugby League.

Football has been more gentrified in the past few years but the real long term supporter has many of the values of passion, tribalism and enjoys the 'blood and thunder' of a big tackle and can watch either sport with real meaning and this has transcended mere geography.

I don't think there is any Rugby League club in our nation that enjoys support from the burgeoning middle classes who have a predisposition to another code of Rugby.

Fulham would be fine because it is a middle class area but has football in it's heart and the two sports of RL and football are correlated - someone can and will enjoy both. Leeds, Hull, Bradford, Wigan and Huddersfield show this, whilst many others are only a few miles apart. The Pit Villages are perhaps the only ones less closely connected.

I would correlate Rugby Union with something like the Boat Race - the same types watch both.

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Good lord.

Alert, it's 2013.

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So Fulham is now middle class. Where are these working class areas in London that you would advocate setting up camp?

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Quote: markrammond "Football and Rugby League are traditionally working men's sports and working class sports.

The Football League began in the Midlands and North of England with Accrington, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers, Burnley, Derby County, Everton, Notts County, Preston North End, Stoke, West Bromwich Albion and Wolverhampton Wanderers.

The Rugby League began with the original clubs of Batley, Bradford, Brighouse, Broughton, Halifax, Huddersfield, Hull, Hunslet, Leeds, Leigh, Liversedge, Manningham, Oldham, Rochdale, Runcorn, Stockport, St Helens, Tyledesley, Wakefield, Warrington, Widnes and Wigan.

If you were to overlay the origins of both sports you'll find a tremendous alignment in geography between the areas and a very strong correlation in proximity between football and Rugby League.

Football has been more gentrified in the past few years but the real long term supporter has many of the values of passion, tribalism and enjoys the 'blood and thunder' of a big tackle and can watch either sport with real meaning and this has transcended mere geography.

I don't think there is any Rugby League club in our nation that enjoys support from the burgeoning middle classes who have a predisposition to another code of Rugby.

Fulham would be fine because it is a middle class area but has football in it's heart and the two sports of RL and football are correlated - someone can and will enjoy both. Leeds, Hull, Bradford, Wigan and Huddersfield show this, whilst many others are only a few miles apart. The Pit Villages are perhaps the only ones less closely connected.

I would correlate Rugby Union with something like the Boat Race - the same types watch both.'"


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Quote: Dave Lister "This 'working class' argument is horrible. There aren't any working class areas in London. Plus those that attend events at Twickers come from all over the South, even the country, not TW1.'"


Quite. To suggest that the club should be aiming for a demographic that is the same as for a team in a northern post industrial town is nonsensical.

One might as well say that Catalan Dragons should be aiming for an English supporter base.

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Quote: Dave Lister "So Fulham is now middle class. Where are these working class areas in London that you would advocate setting up camp?'"


I'm sure Dagenham would be open to a groundshare.

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Quote: markrammond "Football and Rugby League are traditionally working men's sports and working class sports.

The Football League began in the Midlands and North of England with Accrington, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers, Burnley, Derby County, Everton, Notts County, Preston North End, Stoke, West Bromwich Albion and Wolverhampton Wanderers.

The Rugby League began with the original clubs of Batley, Bradford, Brighouse, Broughton, Halifax, Huddersfield, Hull, Hunslet, Leeds, Leigh, Liversedge, Manningham, Oldham, Rochdale, Runcorn, Stockport, St Helens, Tyledesley, Wakefield, Warrington, Widnes and Wigan.

If you were to overlay the origins of both sports you'll find a tremendous alignment in geography between the areas and a very strong correlation in proximity between football and Rugby League.

Football has been more gentrified in the past few years but the real long term supporter has many of the values of passion, tribalism and enjoys the 'blood and thunder' of a big tackle and can watch either sport with real meaning and this has transcended mere geography.

I don't think there is any Rugby League club in our nation that enjoys support from the burgeoning middle classes who have a predisposition to another code of Rugby.

Fulham would be fine because it is a middle class area but has football in it's heart and the two sports of RL and football are correlated - someone can and will enjoy both. Leeds, Hull, Bradford, Wigan and Huddersfield show this, whilst many others are only a few miles apart. The Pit Villages are perhaps the only ones less closely connected.

I would correlate Rugby Union with something like the Boat Race - the same types watch both.'"


I agree with Mark! Just as there are predominantly middle class areas exist (see Twickers) there are also working class areas in London. Newham, and Barking and Dagenham to pick two for example. It is usual today to deny classes exist but the economic reality cannot be denied. Neither can the working class origins of RL be denied, and that is the perception of the population who are aware of our game. There are a number of reasons why the Stoop has not worked and the games perceived class basis is one of them. Wherever we end up, roots have to be relaid, and I am convinced that football supporters are a more natural fan base to target than Union fans.

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Quote: poplar panther "I agree with Mark! Just as there are predominantly middle class areas exist (see Twickers) there are also working class areas in London. Newham, and Barking and Dagenham to pick two for example. It is usual today to deny classes exist but the economic reality cannot be denied. Neither can the working class origins of RL be denied, and that is the perception of the population who are aware of our game. There are a number of reasons why the Stoop has not worked and the games perceived class basis is one of them. Wherever we end up, roots have to be relaid, and I can convinced that football supporters are a more natural fan base to target than Union fans.'"


Of course as you say there are working class areas in London, not sure what world some are living in, if they deny that!

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Sat 11th May
SL 11 Huddersfield6-48Wigan
SL 11 Catalans26-0Leeds
WSL2024 3 Hudds W0-102WiganW
WSL2024 3 FeatherstoneW4-58St.HelensW
NRL 10 Wests14-20Newcastle
NRL 10 St.George28-14Souths
NRL 10 Melbourne18-25Cronulla
Fri 10th May
SL 11 Castleford4-60St.Helens
SL 11 Leigh40-12Salford
NRL 10 Parramatta14-30Brisbane
NRL 10 Penrith16-10Canterbury
Thu 9th May
SL 11 Warrington20-8Hull KR
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 10 312 132 180 16
St.Helens 11 289 114 175 16
Warrington 11 286 143 143 16
Catalans 11 244 152 92 16
Hull KR 11 262 169 93 14
Salford 11 210 226 -16 14
 
Leeds 11 204 198 6 12
Huddersfield 11 240 229 11 10
Leigh 10 228 184 44 7
Castleford 11 184 352 -168 5
Hull FC 11 122 386 -264 2
LondonB 11 116 412 -296 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 7 252 72 180 14
Sheffield 7 224 98 126 12
Widnes 7 190 97 93 12
Featherstone 7 192 132 60 10
Bradford 7 145 129 16 8
Toulouse 7 158 130 28 6
 
Doncaster 7 156 168 -12 6
Swinton 7 140 154 -14 6
Whitehaven 7 133 189 -56 6
Barrow 7 102 207 -105 6
Batley 7 109 154 -45 4
Halifax 7 94 199 -105 4
York 7 113 189 -76 2
Dewsbury 7 115 205 -90 2
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