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Although I thought tonight's episode a little slow, I'm just glad it's back.

A couple of weeks ago I managed to buy 1-5 of the books from a charity shop for the grand total of £6 (£1 for 1-4 in paperback and £2 for 5 in hardback). Even though I'm still on book 1, it really is surprising just how little was left out in the making of the series.

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I've found the Internet outrage over this series hilarious so far.

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Quote: Durham Giant "Well I have to say I must be in the minority re GOT this season.

I feel it has gone downhill.

All the great dialogue, character development, intrigue etc is missing.

It seems to have all being sped up to finish te se'ries as the actors all want Hollywood roles.

The worst examples being the hound who says the word Canute in every sentence.

Complex family / relationships / history/ story lines all being summed up in one or two lines.

Gendry You tried to sell me. Beric yea sorry. Oh well it's all in the Pastlet's be mates again.

Littlefiger a huge important character. Lord of the vale ended in one three minute scene no trial on the basis of three kids saying you did this. No evidence, no trial, no twist not even brandon stark boys vision from the past to at least explain it.

The whole thing has become formulaic and Hollywood .

I still,watch it but it is not what it was. Cersei is the only decent complex character in it.

This is not a fight between the living and the dead.

It is a fight between GRr Martin and Hollywood and hollluwood is winning.

Nothing clever , new or subtle just lots of set pieces to appease the masses.'"

I agree with you the show is a pale imitation of what's gone before it..the sooner its over the better.

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So after some of the best TV ever produced, the show went out on a massive low; the final season seemed rushed, arbitrary and too intent on tying up loose ends - and the behaviour of the two main characters was inexplicably contrary to how they've been developed over the years.

I shan't be signing a petition or owt, but it was a huge disappointment.

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Quote: trevork6152 "The fact is that George RR Martins books have been left behind, stories still in his head allegedly. What we have seen this series is someone elses imagination that does not sit anywhere near the inticate level of Martins!'"

Having just read the Gorge RR Martin books it seems clear that he had tied himself in knots. Perhaps this is why he has been unable to complete the saga. The final 2 books he wrote were a total confusion.

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You need to be careful with the reading order. Even George RR admitted that events were out of cinq and can throw readers.

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