Not condoning MF, but the level of abuse aimed at RS and the players was much, much more than a few fans chanting.

A one off performance loosing after loosing 2,3,4,5 is one thing but this hs been going on for months now. Even with fully fit sides. Players leave and once again look like good players for their new club. That's down to coaching

I couldn't agree more with KaeruJim's long post.

Re: Frawley, I think there are glimpses of a good player in there, but he's taken on too much responsibility. With Miller suffering a massive nose dive in confidence, the spine need to work better to take the pressure off Frawley in some areas of his game that aren't working out, especially kicking. Frawley's a good defender (much better than Sezer, who had too many high shots in him, not to mention being very injury prone), and he actually breaks the line more than I expected when we signed him - again, we need better communication and support play when we're attacking to make the most of this.

Don’t agree with the abuse directed at Smith, however it’s not unique to Leeds. Daryl Powells last season at Warrington was absolutely shocking. I am certainly not pursuing an anti Smith agenda but if i see rubbish on the field I am certainly going to comment on it. Just check out the available statistics which confirms my opinion we are struggling. On the other side of the coin if Smith turns the situation around I will be on here praising him. I really couldn’t give a tinkers cuss who coaches us, so long as we are reasonably successful. I had hoped for a top four spot this season without winning any silverware. A perfectly reasonable expectation, this club is one of biggest in super league after 3 seasons of Smith fifth or below is not acceptable..

all coaches get stick when they are failing badly. in any sport.
its just an effort to deflect attention from the crap being served up on the pitch

Looks like Jason Demetriou is free soon

It's clear RS has lost a lot of the fan base.
The London game should show if he's lost the players/ team.

He has to be able to get the team playing well for the majority of the 80mins in the majority of games.
No sign of that has occurred yet, albeit with certain mitigating circumstances.

If we win, it already feels like it's just papering over big cracks. If we lose then that will be another low point to deal with

Genuine question - When was the last time Leeds put in a full 80mins?
I cant remember when we have - I reckon it was under him on our run to the GF.

Dave Furner might be caretaker coach at Souths if Demetriou goes...

Years. But I did say majority and not full. Playing well to good for 60 mins will see more wins than losses

Sorry, I didnt mean it to sound like I was demanding an answer from you , it was more of a genuine opine about how lax (IMHO) we've become accustomed to.

I agree 60 mins would usually lead to a lot more wins but I cant say we are even anywhere near that level which is appalling.

I think Smith is aware that his job is vulnerable. I was intrigued by his comment that ‘the club’ have decided to let the youth come through, rather than spending (I paraphrase). This can only be directed at Gary. If so then I think Gary has to give him ( a bit ) more time. The crisis may come if a few senior players organise a delegation to speak to Gary.
We can all be guilty of over-reading between the lines but I have noticed that no player ever refers to the manager. Often when a team is under-performing you would see players publicly backing the manager - but we aren’t seeing of that.

No need to apologise, I didn't take it that way . I just try be clear when there are two very opposing camps .

Agreed,also. The lack of consistency is worrying across the board. Tackling / defence / passing / leadership / smarts/kicking/ etc means we put in random performances that frustrate fans.

I'm on the fence. There is no point sacking RS unless we have a top quality guy to come in straight away. Someone with a plan, set goals and so on.
Given how many coaches we have run through in 5 years and obvious on field issues I can't see a top guy wanting the job until we are more stable.

However, RS doesn't fill me with confidence with the post match comments, failure to implement any structure or get the team to stop the stupid repetitive behaviour evident in every game.

Something just isn't clicking / working and RS needs to figure it out. If he can't then we are up the creek

Spot on

I thought Smith's press conference was better today, mainly because he was being asked some of the questions they seem to have been avoiding. I'm not sure why none of them push back on his comments when he suggests a poor performance was good/acceptable though.

The issues with a new coach are very valid. It would be far better if Smith can turn things around. But some of these opportunities to reboot things need to be taken. Huddersfield was a chance after a 2-week turnaround, Hull was a chance because they're a really poor team, London is chance because they are a Championship team in SL. After this we play some decent teams in consecutive weeks. Another sloppy win against London followed by two defeats - potentially big ones - would really leave us in the mire almost halfway through the season.