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Quote: Exeter Rhino "Nice back-pedalling, but it doesn't disguise the fact that your definition of underdogs was deliberately narrowed to suit your anti-Smith agenda.

I'm not sure your hypothetical scenario is going to be as revealing as you think (I suspect neither of us has the time to quantify, but please do indulge yourself). In 2022 when Smith took over, Leeds were rightly underdogs in a lot of games, but we ended winning a lot more than was expected. In 2023 we actually started as favourites in a lot of games in the first part of the season because we had made the GF - many of which we lost, but not all. Your original comment about underdogs wasn't really as clever as you thought it was, and it's not really helpful to understanding what's going on at the club.

I will continue to bring up the past where it is relevant. Especially when it helps educate impatient doom-merchants that are turning people away from reading and contributing to this forum.'"

Bring up the past ? You may care to reflect on last season which was a disaster, several posters on here questioned Smith’s ability. We were all shouted down. Told it was a transition period and everything would be ok this season. We have two upcoming games in which everyone is giving us no chance whatsoever. That’s a measure of how far we have sunk. Once again (sigh) I will praise praise Smith if he turns the situation around.
Whoever is the coach next season, would like Danny McGuirre to come in as the assistant coach.

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Wasn't Mom the one that missed pre season due to family stuff and the move?.

Bit unlucky as with any injury,I think people are just so frustrated with how often Fusi and Newman are out that now any new guy that gets an injury will be the cherry on the cake for the tipping point

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Quote: Exeter Rhino "Some of the best GF winning Leeds teams have been underdogs - in 2007, 2008, 2011, 2012 etc - what's your point Flexwheeler? You do realise that good teams are not always expected to win, right?

The revisionism on this forum in the last few weeks really has been epic. We've been hearing that Furner would have been a better coach than Smith if only JJB hadn't complained and got GH and Sinfield to cut short his tenure, and now being an underdog is a sign of a team playing poorly. Jesus wept.'"


When you make decisions about coaches you have to support them through the really tough times and support the changes they want to make. You cannot be forever looking back as to how it was in your day and your methods of working. That was a major issue. If the coach is not supported by a senior player who is using a divide and conquer strategy with players in the squad the coach has no chance unless he removes the player which wasn't an option. Perhaps if Furner had a squad all pulling in the same direction things could have been different.

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That's nonsense. Under Furner we lost eight of our first ten games. He brought over the hopelessly unfit Lolohea and kept picking him, amongst other bad decisions. If Lolohea had been a world beater and we hadn't been playing terribly then even if JJB or others were muttering behind the scenes they wouldn't have been listened to.

Before us Furner's tenure of the Raiders was a chaotic mess. He was only appointed there because of his links with the club (sounds familiar?) and his dad. If he had been anyone else he would have been gone more than a year before he was eventually kicked out, with a 43% win rate over five generally dire seasons.

Once he was hooked at the Raiders he didn't get a look-in as a first team coach anywhere else for SIX years until Leeds brought him in. Lots of NRL jobs came and went in that time. Nobody else was interested.

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Quote: Once were Loiners "That's nonsense. Under Furner we lost eight of our first ten games. He brought over the hopelessly unfit Lolohea and kept picking him, amongst other bad decisions. If Lolohea had been a world beater and we hadn't been playing terribly then even if JJB or others were muttering behind the scenes they wouldn't have been listened to.

Before us Furner's tenure of the Raiders was a chaotic mess. He was only appointed there because of his links with the club (sounds familiar?) and his dad. If he had been anyone else he would have been gone more than a year before he was eventually kicked out, with a 43% win rate over five generally dire seasons.

Once he was hooked at the Raiders he didn't get a look-in as a first team coach anywhere else for SIX years until Leeds brought him in. Lots of NRL jobs came and went in that time. Nobody else was interested.'"

Not defending Furner, but pretty sure Lolohea was a McDermott signing before the axe finally fell. Either that or he was a Sinfield signing before Furner arrived.

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Quote: RAPIDO "The Momster you're having a laugh I've seen more meat on a butcher's pencil copy and paste the earth shattering wrecking ball Fusitua un interested journey men living of performances playing in quality teams, their not now and have been found out like it or not the proof is reality former Dudd latter looking the former!
That’s f’king painful to read.

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