Handley, Fus, both prior international wingers out. Newman out. Momirovski injured second half. Holroyd out.

It's not just the players we're missing, it's the disruption it causes when we have to shift other players around. Roberts is not a winger. Martin is not really a centre.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be playing better despite that because we should. But there is a link between injuries and performance and results. And injuries are not the fault of the coach.

For me there are a few things happening at the same time. Injuries have definitely affected us again this year, in pre-season and in-season.

I think our ruck is rubbish on the whole; that is a coaching issue mostly, also a player-driven issue because if the technique isn't there in your mid-20s, are you ever going to get it?

The other thing for me is that I still think we are 2-3 star players off a good side. We still lack quality. To some extent, I think we have plugged a couple of holes we had, especially with Croft. However we have also got kindof what we expected: a Reserve grade 7 and a maverick 1 who makes mistakes.

Seen flashes of quality from Momirovski but he's had injuries too (consistent with his history in NRL...). Ackers I've actually been a little disappointed with so far, he is obviously a high quality player but I don't think he's found his feet yet, probably because we lose the ruck or fail to get into good ball so much of the time.

Same.

Other week RS had me agreeing with a Bradford fan, this week it's Wilkin.
That's horrible

Clearly poor recollection on my part, maybe because of the Great Britain tour.

My point still stands that even the top coaches do not guarantee success.

Nothing guarantees success, having a decent coach increases the chances of success.

Having a poor coach dramatically reduces your chances.

I know this is revolutionary stuff.

Agreed, and let’s not pretend there’s not an element of luck involved. RS had a similar pedigree to Woolf and Holbrook, who came over and were brilliant. Wire took a huge gamble in appointing Sam Burgess who doesn’t have a fraction of RS’s coaching experience.

I’m not saying Wire will win the comp, but I know who I’d rather have in charge right now.

RS was always a hugely risky move. Time for GH to come out and admit this punt has worked out and move on asap. I still think a decent coach could get a lot out of this squad.

Sam B will most likely just bide his time before going back to Aus I think. Also he's a petulant fella when he wants to be, he needs to grow up a bit to be a head coach frankly.

What he does do is inspire the team and clearly drills hard defence into them, as you would expect. You can at least see his influence on them.

Against us, Wire have been the best side I've seen this year so far, I thought they looked very good.

I still don't think the squad we have is quite there. We have work to do with a couple more key signings; coaching appointments will likely change at the end of the year in some form or another.